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triguy

Jan 30 2004, 02:41 PM

anyone got any info or experience wit this? copyed it from a website

Sulbutamine Details


"For more than 5 years, I have labored to bring this ingredient to the US supplement market place. Finally, after a torturous path I managed to find a manufacturing partner with the necessary technical skills and entrepreneurial mindset to help me make this product a reality. The end result is that we are currently introducing this powerful nutraceutical ingredient to a select group of companies and Avastar is at the top of the list!



I first used sulbutiamine as an athlete more than a decade ago. As a professional cyclist, sulbutiamine, or Arcalion as it is sold in Europe, was something of a secret weapon for many pros. Because it is a derivative of the B Vitamin, thiamin, it is legal for all drug-tested competition including the Olympics, and after seven hours on the bike it was something that could help bring you back from the dead before the finish line.

When I retired from cycling, I'd all but forgotten about the stuff, until I hooked up with Charles Poliquin who was working with me on putting some real muscle on my puny frame. One day in passing he mentioned that used to love this stuff called Arcalion and it got me thinking.

A quick trip to the research library gave me all the information I needed to send me on the long path to bringing sulbutiamine to the US. It turns out that sulbutiamine is considered a vitamin co-factor which means it squeaks by the FDA.

While I won't bore you with the details of how I finally got the stuff made, I will tell you why I think sulbutiamine is amazing for both strength and power athletes (from bodybuilders to professional baseball players) and endurance athletes (like cyclists).

Sulbutiamine's Effects
Sulbutiamine has been shown to have a number of profound effects upon physical and intellectual performance, it can help alleviate depression and the fatigue commonly associated with depression, will help normalize sleep wake cycles, improve motor performance, increase maximal strength and even help improve your visual acuity.

All in all, this is a pretty impressive list. Especially since these aren't marketing claims but clinically documented effects. Remember, like vinpocetine, sulbutiamine has been used as a pharmaceutical agent in Europe for over twenty years.

From a scientific standpoint the way that sulbutiamine works has been fairly well defined. The compound, which is a linkage of two modified thiamin nuclei, is highly lipid-soluble, facilitating rapid gut absorption and crossing of the blood-brain barrier.

By injecting animals with radio active dye it has been determined that sulbutiamine levels are highest in the reticular activating system, the limbic system and the cerebellum. Interestingly, these regions of the brain are densely packed with cholinergic and serotonergic neurons. Incidentally, neurons are often grouped by virtue of their chief neurotransmitter. It is understood that by activation of these particular groups or neurons, sulbutiamine exerts its physical and psychological effects.

Sulbutiamine in the real world
Back when I was a professional cyclist my experience with sulbutiamine was that it helped bring me back around towards the end of long races. I noticed that my focus was sharper, that my legs didn't feel quite so dead and that my reaction time improved.

As a bodybuilder I noticed that it made me stronger in the gym and helped get me "up" for workouts when I felt a little tired on my way into the gym. Research confirms that both animals and humans given sulbutiamine perform better on a variety of both physical and mental tests, including memory, resistance to fatigue and absolute strength.

Unlike caffeine or ephedra, however, sulbutiamine is subtle. You will not feel "jacked-up" and you certainly won't get that shaky or jittery feeling that people sometimes experience when taking stimulants. If you expect that sort of sensation, you might think that sulbutiamine isn't working, but if you are an experienced athlete and have some method of tracking your performance such as knowing your weight for sets and reps of specific exercises you should see a reasonably dramatic improvement in your capabilities with a single dose!

That's right! Within 30 to 45 minutes you're performance (along with your memory and cognitive ability) will be measurably improved. The other really cool thing about sulbutiamine is that it also helps normalize sleep wake cycles which can get you back on track if you've been having trouble sleeping and/or do lots of traveling and thus get jet lagged from time to time.

Right now, sulbutiamine is only available in a very few products, most importantly, in two of Avastar's formulas; Ravive and Revyte. Both products are state-of-the art energy concentration and recovery products that can help sharpen you up, increase your concentration and energy levels, improve memory, mood and athletic performance, and in the case of Ravive, even help you feel more like yourself after a hard night on the town.

Final Thoughts
Sulbutiamine is one of those ingredients that you really have to try to believe. It can have a profound effect upon your training as well as other areas of your life. If you happen to be a student, an executive or anyone under stress you will quickly see just how valuable an addition sulbutiamine will be to your supplement regimen. I wouldn't have spent more than half a decade trying to get sulbutiamine made if it wasn't"

ergoman500

Jan 30 2004, 04:11 PM

Regular thiamine supplemented at 50-200mg/day acts as a acetylcholine/cholinomimetic in adult humans. Also mood-elevating/anti-depressant effects are commonly noted whether the subjects are "deficient" or not in thiamine. Slightly improved muscular endurance has also been reported in small trials using trained athletes.

IMO, many, if not all of the benefits of arcalion/salbutiamine can be experienced using straight thiamine/vitamin-mineral supplements.

I'm quite familar with Arcalion and have not tried it because I don't see the benefits overall being worth using - compared to thiamine's -- although I am sure some would likely experience slightly better improvements using Arcalion with or w/o Thiamine supplementation...

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